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Post by Captain Hygiene on Oct 21, 2008 13:07:47 GMT -3
In the end, I think it did get a bit too melodramatic - there was a lot of emotional talkiness going on for my taste. Still, there were enough good moments in the show that I can easily forgive it; it never stopped being entertaining.
I loved the Hiro bits as well. After he got shoveled the first time and Ando mentioned going a couple minutes earlier in time, I thought to myself that it would be hilarious if he got caught again. I really laughed when it happened a few moments later, and I loved the fact that he staggered into the hut right as his earlier self was leaving. Funny stuff. (also, I was almost exactly right on in guessing what Hiro had done as far as killing Ando).
I was honestly shocked at what Arthur Petrelli did to Adam. I was not expecting that, and I missed out on what his power was at that point - I thought it was absorbing peoples' life force. It was actually more interesting to find out what happened to Adam and what Petrelli could really do. I can't wait to see what Peter does now, without his powers - "heroic" Peter was my favorite character, but it's harder to like him when he's running around being an ass with all his new powers. I think the conflict between Nathan/Peter and their dad will be a good new dynamic for the show, also.
I like Daphne more than I did at the start of the season, and I continue to like Matt. He was a bit intense (i.e. creepy) at times, but it's hard to blame him. He hasn't exactly had a great life, and, now that he sees a chance for happiness, he's going for it.
Also, Doyle's scenes were pretty predictable, but I thought their conclusion held enough tension to make up for that. It doesn't get much more intense than making mother(s) and daughter spin around a pistol for a nice game of Russian Roulette.
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Post by Captain Hygiene on Oct 28, 2008 12:28:53 GMT -3
I was too dead tired to write up anything last night (not tired enough to skip the show though). I enjoyed it but felt it was the weakest episode of the season (how much of that has to do with my mental state, I'm not sure). It seemed like the major plot points were covered in a couple minutes and most of the show was moving the characters around in ways that weren't completely related to the big story. It's still a good show to watch, I just thought this one seemed to wander around too much.
Arthur Petrelli was what really saved it, though. I think he's going to make a great villain, and I really like the actor. Looking forward to what Hiro sees on his mind trip, too. Also, I have my doubts about what happened to Maury.
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Post by Captain Hygiene on Nov 4, 2008 13:38:38 GMT -3
"You got your political satire in my Heroes time slot!"
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Post by Captain Hygiene on Nov 11, 2008 0:01:38 GMT -3
Oh, that was a really good episode. It managed to develop this season's characters and recontextualize a lot of season 1 events. There were several scenes that shed new light on what happened back in the first season, it was really fun to watch. Even more of the characters' paths crossed one another than we knew about back in that season.
In terms of this season's story arc, it didn't move too much forward, but it really did a lot to flesh out the characters. They showed next week's preview this time, and it made me really want to see the episode, without really giving anything away.
Also, I'm once again surprised at some of the violence they can get away with, even for a TV-14 rating.
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Post by Big Stoopid on Nov 11, 2008 4:38:43 GMT -3
It sails right into the Top 5 episodes . . possibly Top 3 ? The paths crossing as you said, of course. ( When Meredith crossed out of frame to reveal the anticipated train-saving Claire below ? . . . . I actually clapped and wept a bit )
But I'd say there was a line spoken that stands tall amongst all them classic movie-lines going back to the 30's : As Arthur realizes Angela had poisoned the lentil soup . . "I lied, it's not your Mother's recipe". . . just great ! Arthur's last line to a shocked Hiro wasn't too bad either : "I hear you've been dreaming about me". Then we get that wild pan with "to be continued" superimposed like only the opening titles had been up till then.
I know there's dozens of other moments yet to process . . oh !, like "look how it was Arthur in charge of Linderman all along . . and how Linderman still had a heart no less !"
Also, on a more minor note, I hope we get another chance to see "Iron-Fist" in action, but it ain't likely.
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Post by Captain Hygiene on Nov 11, 2008 15:43:38 GMT -3
Angela's scenes were actually my favorite in this one. Chills went down my spine at the dinner scene that you mentioned, especially when she says something to the effect of "What's the matter, can't you read my mind?" and the Haitian is revealed in the background. Top five episodes for sure.
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Post by Big Stoopid on Nov 11, 2008 16:23:09 GMT -3
It was indeed a powerhouse ep, regardless of the majority of the posters on Television W/out Pity being so darn picky n' uptight. We also get a little more of Noah in full-on HRG mode, back when his conflicts with The Company were still largely internalized. On another note, I miss Micah and Monica Dawson ! . . . s'pecially Monica. For that matter . . . is Nicky really really gone n' dead n' stuff ?
But back to last night's . . . : do you think the "gang" at Tw/oP is right ?, that they're screwing with continuity ? Many of them were bitching how "Arthur can't be alive while Peter's just getting out of Mohinder's cab ?" _____ or ______ "wasn't Elle cooped-up at the Company and a lot less sane back then ?"
One or two pointed out how the captions were distinguishing between "18 months ago" or "1 year ago" . . . so I'm thinking Kring & Co. had their asses covered . . . no ?
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Post by Captain Hygiene on Nov 11, 2008 17:34:44 GMT -3
You know, I'm sure there are little things here and there that don't quite fit in with continuity of past episodes, but none of that really bothers me. I think most of the changes can be explained reasonably enough, and the things that can't are generally minor. I'd rather have an enjoyable episode than be super anal about everything fitting together perfectly.
Honestly, from all the discussion I read online, I think people would still complain about the show if old-school HRG came out of the TV and handed them a million dollars for watching. It seems like the first season has attained a near mythic status in most peoples' minds, and I'll bet that if it aired right now without them recognizing it, they'd still bitch about it.
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Post by Big Stoopid on Nov 11, 2008 21:40:15 GMT -3
All excellent saying of stuff !
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Post by Captain Hygiene on Nov 12, 2008 12:38:38 GMT -3
We also get a little more of Noah in full-on HRG mode, back when his conflicts with The Company were still largely internalized. On another note, I miss Micah and Monica Dawson ! . . . s'pecially Monica. For that matter . . . is Nicky really really gone n' dead n' stuff ? I forgot to reply to this. I've wondered since the season started if Micah would be around. The actor looks like he's at the point where he's rapidly aging out of the "cute kid" status, and I wonder if that's part of the reason why he hasn't really been used outside of Nicky's funeral scene. Speaking of Nicky, it seems like nobody in this show is ever gone for good, but I tend to think she's about as close as possible to being gone. Particularly with the reveal of her family members, conveniently played by the same actress, I get the impression that she might not be back except in any more flashbacks. Also, I liked Monica's character, but I've never been sure what to think about her power. It seems a bit more "out there" than most of the main characters, and I'm not sure where they would have gone with it if the character returned.
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Post by Big Stoopid on Nov 19, 2008 4:16:05 GMT -3
Speaking of Nicky, I get the impression that she might not be back except in any more flashbacks. Funny how the next episode ( last night ) featured several uses of Nikki shots, during the narration about eclipses ! Last night's was a powerhouse ( "It's Coming" ) I'm too tired to write much, and I'm in a hyper-typo mode too . . so it's taking awhile to get this much down, but boy ! Between the Gabriel and Elle scenes in her "cell", and the largest group of assembled Heroes we've seen yet after Angela's re-awakened . . . . plus, it sure seemed like Angela was able to influence Arthur to free her just by telling him he was going to, huh ? ( Probably why he'd "put her down" in the first place tho' . . . . only the wife is able to exert control over him. That, or serve his "Mother's recipe" ! ) G' wan Cap'n . . . . provoke some more memories and conjectures !
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Post by Captain Hygiene on Nov 19, 2008 13:01:26 GMT -3
Speaking of Nicky, I get the impression that she might not be back except in any more flashbacks. Funny how the next episode ( last night ) featured several uses of Nikki shots, during the narration about eclipses ! Last night's was a powerhouse ( "It's Coming" ) I'm too tired to write much, and I'm in a hyper-typo mode too . . so it's taking awhile to get this much down, but boy ! Between the Gabriel and Elle scenes in her "cell", and the largest group of assembled Heroes we've seen yet after Angela's re-awakened . . . . plus, it sure seemed like Angela was able to influence Arthur to free her just by telling him he was going to, huh ? ( Probably why he'd "put her down" in the first place tho' . . . . only the wife is able to exert control over him. That, or serve his "Mother's recipe" ! ) G' wan Cap'n . . . . provoke some more memories and conjectures ! Sorry for my tardiness! I thought it was another good episode, but it also had a couple problems or questions. I laughed really hard at Hiro's scenes where he's relearning his powers. I admit that it was fun to watch, but I'm not really convinced that particular development was a good idea. Why would Arthur Petrelli do that, rather than just taking Hiro's power. I'll reserve any final judgment until I see how it plays out, but it seemed pretty far out there as far as plot twists go. Another question relates to what you mention, regarding Angela and Arthur: just what is going on between them anymore? I loved the scenes where Matt was trying to rescue Angela from inside her mind, and I thought the editing style was fantastic there. But it really made me curious how Angela can just look at Arthur and tell him bluntly to let her go. Not a problem with the plot, just makes me curious - was it really a memory of love, or something else? I thought the scenes with Elle and Sylar were great, and I also liked the assembling of heroes and villains. I thought Peter and Claire's scenes were mostly good, too, although I occasionally smirked at her proposed plan of distraction, which turned out to involve getting their attention for 30 seconds and then diving out a window. I liked the eclipse imagery at the end, and I can't wait to see what happens next.
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Post by Big Stoopid on Nov 19, 2008 16:57:54 GMT -3
I laughed really hard at Hiro's scenes where he's relearning his powers. I admit that it was fun to watch, but I'm not really convinced that particular development was a good idea. Why would Arthur Petrelli do that, rather than just taking Hiro's power. I'll reserve any final judgment until I see how it plays out, but it seemed pretty far out there as far as plot twists go. You speak as if ya' don't know how often this show lays out a "wtf ??" moment, only to fill it in many episodes later ! ( )Another question relates to what you mention, regarding Angela and Arthur: just what is going on between them anymore?
It really made me curious how Angela can just look at Arthur and tell him bluntly to let her go. Not a problem with the plot, just makes me curious - was it really a memory of love, or something else? I really think there might be a subtle power thing goin' on there as well ! There may be more to Angela's power then we know . . . think how they did a "Matt-type close-up" on her as she "commanded" Arthur to let her go ! ( Hmmmm ) I thought the scenes with Elle and Sylar were great, and I also liked the assembling of heroes and villains. I thought Peter and Claire's scenes were mostly good, too, although I occasionally smirked at her proposed plan of distraction, which turned out to involve getting their attention for 30 seconds and then diving out a window. You just reminded me ! ( so thanks ! ) : On simply the level of "cool shots / eye-candy", we had that first image of Gabriel getting his Elle-blast as pieces of him are slowly blown off, and not long after we had the movie-worthy shot of Peter running down the fire-escape as he looks up and Claire comes past. That was like something outta' Minority Report or such ! I liked the eclipse imagery at the end, and I can't wait to see what happens next.
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Post by Captain Hygiene on Nov 19, 2008 17:52:55 GMT -3
the movie-worthy shot of Peter running down the fire-escape as he looks up and Claire comes past. That was like something outta' Minority Report or such ! You're right, that was like a movie, and it was great. I just expected Claire to try to hold the badguys in place for more than 30 seconds.
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Post by Captain Hygiene on Nov 19, 2008 20:10:59 GMT -3
By the way, Atari and Change over at the other board claim that Arthur was interrupted by noticing the eclipse painting while he was taking Hiro's power, possibly leading to the odd result. Did it seem that way to you? That would make a lot more sense, I just thought it was something he decided to do on his own. Maybe I glanced away from the screen or something.
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Post by Big Stoopid on Nov 25, 2008 1:38:03 GMT -3
By the way, Atari and Change over at the other board claim that Arthur was interrupted by noticing the eclipse painting while he was taking Hiro's power, possibly leading to the odd result. Did it seem that way to you? That would make a lot more sense, I just thought it was something he decided to do on his own. Maybe I glanced away from the screen or something. Hmm, I should check that, as all the episodes are the only things accumulating on my DVR. I could do it, man ! ( wait. . . . so that's where others post their Heroes posts ? . . . on a thread I started over `dere ??!? ) *simmers bitterly*
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Post by Big Stoopid on Nov 25, 2008 1:46:50 GMT -3
I just wanna note, before I delve into tonight's new episode >> "Eclipse, pt. 1" I was thinking how it's been a great run of episodes for awhile now, and I decided --->to Hell with all this media-chatter on "How to save Heroes" / "Is anyone still watching ??" BS !! It's down a million or 2 viewers ? But still above 10 million ? Yay ! Heroes joins the ranks of shows that took off towards the end of season 1. peaked during season 2, and then suffered the dreaded "backlash" . . like a couple rather fine shows like The Simpsons, or Friends ! The other categories of course, the eternally "classic" show that nearly got cancelled before summer repeats created a groundswell for season 2 . . . such as All In The Family or The Dick Van Dyke Show. Then there's those that built up real slow over the first 3 or 4 seasons . . like a Seinfeld ! try doing that these days !! Well, lemme go watch the latest from this show that sucks so big anymore !
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Post by Captain Hygiene on Nov 25, 2008 12:46:45 GMT -3
Assuming you've watched it when you read this, what do you think they'll do with everyone's powers? Do you think they're really gone, or the writers will pull a 180 and restore things after the eclipse?
And I think only time will tell for the show's future. As far as I'm concerned, with a couple exceptions, this season's been classic so far. The media seems to have set itself to claiming that the show died after season 1, though, regardless of what it's doing now. I've almost stopped looking at other message boards, too - it's almost funny how dead set almost everyone is on claiming how terrible the show is. No matter what the writers are doing, I think popular opinion is against them. I don't agree with it, but I'm concerned that the show may not last longer than three seasons.
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Post by Big Stoopid on Dec 2, 2008 4:28:54 GMT -3
Eclipse -- pt. 2 -->"Best Episode Evah !"
1/2 way thru I had it in the Top 5. The Haitian gets his mighty moment, Arthur admits his big paranoia, Nathan declares his heroic purpose ( but I missed why he left Peter ) and Hiro straightens everything out at The Butler house. Now we're talkin' Top 3. But add Noah goin' full-on bad-ass, all the Comic-Shop scenes, Sylar giving into "the hunger" again, and Hiro showing Claire some full-circle origins . . and we're damn near "Best Episode Evah !".
. . . . but maybe I'm just jazzed a bit.
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Post by Captain Hygiene on Dec 2, 2008 16:20:02 GMT -3
Haha, I wouldn't say best ever, but it was a good one. I loved the major return of "9th Wonders", with even more characters looking at themselves in it, and how they developed Hiro and Claire into past events. HRG and Sylar were both returned to awesome, especially with the "Sylar Smile" near the end My one problem was how quickly everything returned to normal after the eclipse's monkey wrench. I suspected it would happen, but it seemed like they'd barely introduced the problems everyone had without their powers when they all got them back again. It would be pretty hard to develop the show with un-superpowered superheroes, though, so I'm not sure what else they could have done. Can't wait for the next couple episodes, the preview for next week looked like it was crafted from pure awesome.
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