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Post by Queen Shadowrama on Jun 10, 2009 16:18:29 GMT -3
Hehe yeah, Robyn posted a link to that video a few posts back. Still as awesome as ever though!
You're right about the characters being iconic, and I guess that does make them able to be recast. So long as the new actors don't do anything obscenely out of character (which nobody in this did) then we have ourselves a movie that totally works.
I'm so bummed that I missed seeing it in IMAX. There's an IMAX theater that's reasonably close to us but we just never got around to it. But I gotta ask Big, since you saw it in all its IMAX glory - did you find yourself blinded at all by the literally gajillions of lens flares on such a huge screen? I hadn't really noticed them when I first saw it, but all the buzz about them made me really pay attention to them when I saw the movie for a third time on Sunday.
My God, there are a whole lotta lens flares, lol. I love them, but I was sitting there wondering what would happen if you turned that into a drinking game of some sort. Every time you see a lens flare, you gotta take a shot. Well, you'd be dead within the first ten minutes from alcohol poisoning, no joke. XD
Man I love this movie. I need it to be on DVD like, NOW.
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Post by Captain Hygiene on Jun 11, 2009 12:57:41 GMT -3
HSo long as the new actors don't do anything obscenely out of character (which nobody in this did) Except Uhura+Spock
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Post by Queen Shadowrama on Jun 11, 2009 17:57:04 GMT -3
HSo long as the new actors don't do anything obscenely out of character (which nobody in this did) Except Uhura+Spock SHUN THE NONBELIEVER! ;D
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Post by Big Stoopid on Jun 11, 2009 22:47:12 GMT -3
Except Uhura+Spock SHUN THE NONBELIEVER! ;D Then save a little shun for me as well . . . . cuz I kind'a found the Uhura & Spock deal just a little "Melrose Trek", ya' know ? just a little ( ya' know ? )
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Post by Robyn on Jun 12, 2009 4:19:07 GMT -3
Haha, that reminds me of one night on Skype, Queenie showed me this video of clips from the movie being played to "We Go Together" from the musical Grease. Yeah I don't know either, but it worked somehow! Anyway, while we were cracking up over it - Queenie: IT'S LIKE WATCHING THE MOVIE IN HIGH SCHOOL VISION Me: this MOVIE is like watching Star Trek in high school vision xP Queenie: lol, shhhh Me: High School Musical 4: The Wrath of KhanQueenie: I'd see that, lol Which then made me think of THIS video, which I really oughta post here cause it's amazing: Anyway, about Spock and Uhura - well look at it this way: Star Trek has always tried to push the envelope, like featuring the first interracial kiss on television. Now, most modern audiences won't blink at a interracial relationship, but a VULCAN in a romantic, SEXUAL relationship with someone, and not because of Pon Farr or Random Space Virus of the Week!? HOLY CRAP. 8O Okay but seriously, yeah it was done to get the attention of the hot young crowd, but I also think that this relationship will allow the writers to explore these characters in ways that haven't been done before and expand on them. Through Uhura, Spock has more opportunities to show his human side and his subsequent strugge with it. Through Spock, Uhura becomes a more prominent character than her previous version and gives her interesting motivations to guide her character. ...And I'm just relieved she didn't end up with KIRK, I was so sure that's where the movie was going after the bar scene! xD "I act like I hate you cause you're a jerk but in actuality I'm charmed by how you're a free spirit who doesn't play by the rules, TAKE ME YOU DASHING ROGUE." (Wow this post got long, I hope I'm making sense. )
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Post by Captain Hygiene on Jun 12, 2009 11:17:51 GMT -3
I'm glad she didn't go with Kirk as well (which I expected from the trailer), but at least that would have the tiniest basis in their previously-established characterizations. If not explicitly in the older TV series or TOS movies, at least as a vague idea in some of the expanded novelizations. It didn't bother me that either Spock or Uhura were shown in a relationship with someone, I just think that plot point feels the most out of character of everything in the film. [/nerd]
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Post by Queen Shadowrama on Jun 12, 2009 12:51:36 GMT -3
I'm glad she didn't go with Kirk as well (which I expected from the trailer), but at least that would have the tiniest basis in their previously-established characterizations. If not explicitly in the older TV series or TOS movies, at least as a vague idea in some of the expanded novelizations. It didn't bother me that either Spock or Uhura were shown in a relationship with someone, I just think that plot point feels the most out of character of everything in the film. [/nerd] It is in the older TV series (twice!): Uhura is clearly flirting with him. While Spock appears uncomfortable, and it would be logical to reprimand her for her suggestive tone, but he doesn't. He's not telling her to stop, which is what he tends to do if he really doesn't want something. Uhura is teasing Spock while she's singing, and he's smiling! There's definitely some mutual flirting going on here, no denying it! In fact, the famous interracial kiss scene was originally written between Spock and Uhura as well, but that delightful egomaniac Shatner insisted that he be the one to kiss Nichelle Nichols because he knew it would generate a lot of publicity for him. Unfortunately it doesn't get any more detailed than that, but when you consider the fact that back in the day Desilu vehemently objected to Uhura's character having any significance it isn't surprising that the Spock/Uhura relationship wasn't developed more. Nichelle Nichols has said that she would see scripts with her having huge parts, but then they would get cut because the network wouldn't approve of them. Hell, they'd even hide her fan mail from her! There was so much racism involving the higher-ups that she quit after the first season but Martin Luther King actually told her to stay. So as far as I'm concerned, it's very nearly canon. They just took the idea and expanded on it a bit more. Zachary Qunito's take on it: For me, the relationship really provides a great source of levity in the film, between Kirk and Spock, between Kirk and Uhura. Between Spock and Uhura, I think it provides a really interesting depth. And that Uhura ultimately represents a canvas onto which Spock projects the emotions that he can't otherwise express. I freaking love that description. She brings out the human in him. I mean, he witnessed his mother's death and the annihilation of his planet. I don't care if your Vulcan, Klingon, or Terran, you're gonna need comfort after something like that or you'd just die. Someone needed to provide him some comfort, and since Spock and Kirk weren't friends at the time, Uhura was very much the "logical" choice to smother him with kisses and make the boo boos go away. ;D She's brilliant and he's brilliant when it comes to there respective fields. She's not a wilting flower that needs constant emotional gratification cause she can stand on her own two feet. To me it seems like a perfect match. Certainly better than trying to pair him with Nurse "Yeah I'm a Pathetic Stalker" Chapel, ugh. Also, while it may be lost on many male Trek fans, Spock is a sex symbol. He always has been. So from a woman's perspective, it is soooo gratifying to finally see Spock in a vulnerable, slightly human state of mind that doesn't involve him being under the influence of sex spores or some crap. ;D
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Post by Big Stoopid on Jun 12, 2009 13:41:23 GMT -3
To me it seems like a perfect match. Ok, I'm sold. They may now expand upon this in next month's sequel !!
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Post by Captain Hygiene on Jun 15, 2009 10:56:56 GMT -3
You're right, I didn't remember anything from TOS about that. I'll just whine about it now because I don't like it in the new film, not because it has not support in past media. But now that you mention it, introducing Chapel in the sequel as a nurse with an unhealthily stalker-like obsession would be great.
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