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Post by Big Stoopid on May 13, 2008 4:03:32 GMT -3
This was an early suggestion of our Calandra's when we were discussing different threads and sub-boards we could "add-on" here while expanding this feverish place.
It should look about right once I figure out how additional polls can be added within . . . some a' that new stuff we can now apparently do !
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Post by Big Stoopid on May 13, 2008 4:18:07 GMT -3
Huh ! . . cool
You can spread around a number of votes these days, even retract `em too !
Before I saw that , I was close to making my one vote for Voyager. This is absurd in the face of "TOS" & "ST:TNG" , but something about Janeway and the whole "new quadrants for a long trip" premise really won me over and warmed me. I'm sure it had more then a little to do with where my life was at and age at the time too . . . but it has a tiny edge in very certain ways.
Parts of it won my heart, yet "TOS" is ingrained deep in my DNA, being that I was growing up during The Original Series Original Run !!
I said elsewhere that "Star Trek IV : The Voyage Home" has about 28 points of emotional heart-leaping and big "Yes !" moments were ideas and character moments get me very time.
It's really right-up-there with "The Wizard of Oz" among movies that are guaranteed to make me lump up or outright cry two dozen times !
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Post by Captain Hygiene on May 13, 2008 12:29:38 GMT -3
You know what, I'd go with TOS and TOS movies. A couple of the original crew's films are crap, but a couple of them are ones I'd rank among the greatest adventure films ever. Khan, I'm looking at you (no, not that way).
TNG (and some of the later series) also have some of the greatest episodes of all time, and it's great to have a much better fleshed-out, overarching storyline. As much as I like TOS, they were often just making up the Federation's history, the ship's capabilities, etc, as they went along. It's kind of hard to go back to that sometimes. However, none of the newer series have been as consistent as the original, in my opinion. For every classic episode, there's a couple bland ones focusing on unimportant characters, or quibbling to much about the Prime Directive and making sure to include lots of modern, politically-correct elements in the storyline.
The Animated Series gets a nod, too, simply because it's waaaay better than a cheap cartoon version of a beloved show should be. Not as good as the others but still worth a glance.
Also, I'd probably vote for STIV even if it were garbage, purely for Scotty's "Hello, computer!" scene.
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Post by Big Stoopid on May 13, 2008 21:53:00 GMT -3
. Also, I'd probably vote for STIV even if it were garbage, purely for Scotty's "Hello, computer!" scene. Sure, I mean . . . he's travelled "millions of miles" !  All very well said btw ! ( where's the little thumbs-up thingy on these boards ? ) |
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Post by Big Stoopid on May 14, 2008 0:41:33 GMT -3
TNG (and some of the later series) also have some of the greatest episodes of all time So very true ! As many astounding & fresh ideas as TNG mined , it's amazing how Voyager ( coming after DS9 no less ) , managed to come up with some of the best time-travel plots anyone ever has. From the 2-part "Year In Hell" to 7's repeated attempts to right a wrong. They keep re-recruiting her and sending her back again. And I don't even think that's the one where a "ragtag team" is assembled from different eras that includes her Borg self !! A couple of "whimsical moments" from Voyager come to mind : Janeway on the bridge as a scene begins > "If I have another coffee, I'll make the jump to warp !" And in a late season ep, where the Borg are meeting in their collective "dream-state world" as their true selves . . . the Borg Queen infiltrates, comes across a child who asks if joining the collective is fun > "Yes . . . . it's fun" ( delivered so dryly ) ALSO ! A favorite ep has to be the one with the oblong shaped world that's moving in a different time frame . . . Voyager gets trapped in it's upper atmosphere and influences the entire culture, which is moving thru hundreds of years as mere hours pass on Voyager ! Let's watch it now for sure. |
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Post by Queen Shadowrama on May 14, 2008 2:02:09 GMT -3
I will only watch episodes from the original series and their films. Nothing can come even close to the cheese that is William Shatner, Leonard Nimoy is a freaking legend (all other attempts at Vulcans are grossly inferior in my mind - though Sarek is okay), Scotty is just so loveable, and Chekov is hilarious (I especially love his hospital bit in the 4th film). Sulu and Uhura are pretty cool too.  They're just so classic, and the few episodes I have seen of other series don't even come close to them. |
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Post by Big Stoopid on May 14, 2008 4:03:10 GMT -3
Wow ,
I'm not sure what kind of picture I'm piecing together here, dear.
You're certainly quick to respond to these newer threads on : Juno / Last Compass / Star Trek, and all . . . . and even tho' your reactions often seem black or white with little grey area ( i.e. - love or dismiss ), there have certainly been times where you called something "cute but not classic" . . . . so there's some grey.
To further complicate the puzzle, I followed your MySpace link two nights ago and was tickled to see films like "Dogma", and shows like "Pee Wee's Playhouse" among your faves.
Musically too, there was much to make me say "cool !" ( I also enjoyed much of your bloggy-stuff on "YourSpace" too. )
But there in your DVD shots one could also find "Phantom Menace" & "Sith", and I could'a sworn I saw you savage the prequels back on the FC Board.
Hmm, must be that your many-faceted and nothing is truly black or white and . . . . a~HA !
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Post by Robyn on May 14, 2008 4:43:44 GMT -3
Phantom Menace!? Queen, I'm afraid you're going to have to turn in your geek-credentials immediately.
Actually, I think I really liked Phantom Menace when I first saw it in theaters, mostly because I was surrounded by enthusiastic Star Wars geeks and I myself was like, "Yay, Star Wars!" I was too young to see the originals when they first came out, obviously, but I would often watch them on VHS in my youth, and then I saw the Special Editions when those came out in theaters, which pretty much cemented my love for Star Wars, so I didn't really care at the time that Phantom Menace had a few flaws. ;D
ANYWAY, about the topic, I'm not a huge Star Trek fan myself, but for a while they were showing episodes of the original series and the Next Generation on G4, so I watched them quite a bit, and I think I always liked the Next Gen stuff. I'm think it was mostly because I really liked Data and his humor (or his lame attempts at it), and his struggle to be more human, and his cat...I pretty much enjoy any episode that focuses on him.
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Post by Captain Hygiene on May 14, 2008 11:54:29 GMT -3
My favorite thing about the more recent series was the introduction of the Borg. First Contact was my second favorite Trek movie, and the only modern one to challenge the classic crew. Various Borg episode of TNG are among my favorites as well, namely "Best of Both Worlds," where Picard...you know...
I suspect that, if I got into it, DS9 would easily be my second-favorite. I find the idea of the long-running plot arcs and a wartime feel very interesting for the show. But I've seen the least shows from that series, and I find it hard to get into simply because it takes so much time to watch multiple seasons' worth of overarching plot.
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Post by Big Stoopid on May 15, 2008 23:57:04 GMT -3
DS9 is the only one I have not seen completely, which I consider a treat in waiting.
I've seen only a handful and even if it didn't "grab me" at the time, I have a feeling that it could be great to have an entire 7 seasons to watch as I drool away my oldy golden years.
True, it will probably smack of early to mid 90's CG effects, but then I seem to be able to get into some mid-60's "state-of-the-art" from time to time !
Having grown up on TOS it's a double sided coin. The level of effects doesn't startle me in any unrelatable ways . . . but it does carry a lot of personal-history baggage, which is mostly a good thing.
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Post by Big Stoopid on May 16, 2008 0:32:10 GMT -3
I will only watch episodes from the original series and their films. Nothing can come even close to the cheese that is William Shatner, Leonard Nimoy is a freaking legend (all other attempts at Vulcans are grossly inferior in my mind - though Sarek is okay), Scotty is just so loveable, and Chekov is hilarious (I especially love his hospital bit in the 4th film). Sulu and Uhura are pretty cool too. They're just so classic, and the few episodes I have seen of other series don't even come close to them. Don't smack yourself , but you left out McCoy !! ( often my fave ) |
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Post by Queen Shadowrama on May 16, 2008 0:35:48 GMT -3
Phantom Menace!? Queen, I'm afraid you're going to have to turn in your geek-credentials immediately. Actually, I think I really liked Phantom Menace when I first saw it in theaters, mostly because I was surrounded by enthusiastic Star Wars geeks and I myself was like, "Yay, Star Wars!" I was too young to see the originals when they first came out, obviously, but I would often watch them on VHS in my youth, and then I saw the Special Editions when those came out in theaters, which pretty much cemented my love for Star Wars, so I didn't really care at the time that Phantom Menace had a few flaws. ;D And this, is exactly why Menace and Sith are on my list. They are complete crap when you compare them to the originals, but I cannot deny what I did in my youth. I saw Phantom Menace six times in the theater. I do not deny it, and I cannot undo it. I can merely accept it, and hold on to that small piece of child in me that still thought it was awesome...if for no other reason than the fact it was a Star Wars specifically for my generation. Besides, you can talk crap about it, but can one ever truly disown Star Wars? I didn't think so. I'm George Lucas' bitch for life, and I love/hate him for it. And yes, I realize I'm a bit of a mystery on my MySpace page Big, but then again, I'm a bit of mystery in life. I have a bunch of random tastes that clash into each other. But hey, that's me! Sometimes black and white, sometimes gray...who knows? I don't even know! ;D Don't smack yourself , but you left out McCoy !! ( often my fave ) Oh God, how could I forget McCoy?? Him and Spock man, I used to have a bit of a crush on both of 'em (don't ask me why, I have weird tastes). So yes, McCoy rocks. Aw man, now I'm getting all nostalgic. In fact, I think I'm gonna pop in Voyage Home right now. Or should I do Wrath of Khan? I can't decide! |
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Post by Big Stoopid on May 16, 2008 1:14:17 GMT -3
In fact, I think I'm gonna pop in Voyage Home right now. Or should I do Wrath of Khan? I can't decide! Voyage HomeVoyage HomeVoyage HomeVoyage HomeVoyage HomeVoyage HomeVoyage HomeVoyage HomeVoyage HomeVoyage HomeVoyage HomeVoyage HomeVoyage HomeVoyage HomevVoyage HomeVoyage Home Voyage HomeVoyage HomeVoyage HomeVoyage HomeVoyage HomeVoyage HomeVoyage HomeVoyage HomeVoyage HomeVoyage HomeVoyage HomeVoyage HomeVoyage HomeVoyage HomevVoyage HomeVoyage HomeVoyage HomeVoyageHome !! But then , I'm not particular. |
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Post by Big Stoopid on May 16, 2008 6:12:12 GMT -3
First Contact was my second favorite Trek movie. And I wish to discuss it with you Capt. It's stayed on my mind enough that I popped it in awhile ago. I just stopped it where Riker finds a drunken Troi w/ Cochrane. "Timeline ?! . . . this is no time to argue about time . . we don't have the time." What I wanted to say is how there's a great thing that First Contact & Voyage Home share. The way the true mission unfolds for those on the bridge. In Voyage, it's one scene after another as we go from "do not approach earth" to the re-emerging Spock identifying whale song . . . to "sling-shot around the sun" It's one a' those "talky scenes" that are just one "bam" of a cool revelation after another ! Same with First Contact : From the Enterprise left patrolling the Neutral Zone as they listen to the fleet engage the Borg . . . . commanding the fleet and destroying the cube ship . . . pursuing the sphere into the temporal vortex . . and then, the "duh-duhn" moment . . . where they see the blackened, dry metallic earth ___"9 billion life-signs . . . all Borg"____ that's the galvanizing moment ! Then it's follow them thru / destroy the sphere / where were they firing ? / where are we we ? / when are we ??, as they piece it together on the bridge. And, as with Voyage Home, we go from the realized mission into one great scene after another. ( gotta love the holographic doc stumbling backward as he offers Borg analgesic cream ) I must return to it now !! I always forget how Picard and Data went briefly back to the ship only to get trapped as the Borg assimilate outward from engineering ! |
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Post by Captain Hygiene on May 16, 2008 11:58:51 GMT -3
I will only watch episodes from the original series and their films. Nothing can come even close to the cheese that is William Shatner, Leonard Nimoy is a freaking legend (all other attempts at Vulcans are grossly inferior in my mind - though Sarek is okay), Scotty is just so loveable, and Chekov is hilarious (I especially love his hospital bit in the 4th film). Sulu and Uhura are pretty cool too. They're just so classic, and the few episodes I have seen of other series don't even come close to them. Don't smack yourself , but you left out McCoy !! ( often my fave ) As good as some of the actors in the more recent series are, none of them have the chemistry of Kirk/Spock/Bones. Of course Shatner can be crazy and hammy (in a good way of course ) but he really shone during the scenes where he interacted with the other characters on the show. Big, one of the interesting things about "First Contact" is that I was able to review it for a gothic literature class as an undergrad. The assignment was to describe the gothic elements of some film, and rather than doing something obvious like "Dracula" or whatever, I did that Star Trek film. It's actually pretty interesting how exactly it falls in line with almost every accepted aspect of the gothic story, only transfered from an old house/castle/etc to a starship. I'll be darned if I can actually remember any of those aspects, but it was a very interesting finding. |
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